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Seems to have gone unnoticed, but Harden and Paul combined for 22 assists on just 2 turnovers last night. |
看似人们都低估了一个事实，但是灯泡组合上场比赛一共送出了22次助攻，且仅有2次失误。
Paul had 13/1.
Harden had 9/1.
That is absolutely terrifying and we should all lock our doors tonight just in case.
Edit: thread box score was wrong. Harden was 10/1 so make that 23.
保罗的助攻失误比是13:1。
哈登的助攻失误比是9:1。
这肯定吓死人了，以防万一，我们今晚都应该锁紧房门。
编辑：网站的数据统计表错了。哈登的助攻失误比是10:1，所以他们一共送出了23次助攻。
[–][CHI] Carlos Boozerspunkymonkeyreturns 1060 指標 11小時前
I lock my doors every night.
公牛球迷：可不得锁好房门吗，这可是芝加哥啊！[译注1]
[译注1]芝加哥犯罪率很高，枪击案频发。
[–]CavaliersBarracudaEz152 835 指標 11小時前
Warriors:
[ ] Sp00ked
[ ] Not sp00ked
[❌] Somewhere in between
勇士：
【】惊讶
【】不惊讶
【❌】有点小惊讶
[–][SEA] Gary Paytonphilwelch 451 指標 10小時前
Remember when OKC was gonna be better than Houston this year?
记得有人说过本赛季的雷霆会比火箭更出色吗？
[–]Rocketsbaljeettjinder 633 指標 9小時前
Considering how much OKC is struggling I wouldn’t be surprised if Westbrook won MVP again this year
火箭球迷：考虑到目前雷霆的挣扎，如果威少本赛季再拿一次MVP，我也不会感到意外。
[–]CavaliersChiefKyrief 136 指標 8小時前
A lot of Rockets news goes unnoticed on here. Beard had 37&10 but you'd be hard pressed to find more than one clip on the top page
许多火箭的新闻都被人们无视。大胡子拿下了37+10，但是你很难在首页找到第二条火箭新闻的链接。
[–]HawksAkashkulkarni 82 指標 7小時前
we'd apparently rather watch lebron miss a dunk or kyrie talk about veganism
很明显，我们更想看詹姆斯扣飞，或者欧文谈论素食主义。
[–]allfangs 4 指標 6小時前
to be fair lebron whiffing on a breakaway dunk is a little concerning
说实话，如果詹姆斯扣飞了一个快攻扣篮，我会感到有点担忧。
[–]EastPNRisTheWayToPlay 4 指標 5小時前
to be fair lebron doing anything concerns someone.
说实话，詹姆斯做任何事情，总有人很感到担忧。
Why CP3 and Harden gel so quickly in less games while PG13/Russ/Melo have such a hard time?
为什么灯泡组合在更少的比赛里迅速融合，而雷霆三巨头却在经历一段艰难的时期？
CP3 had missed games and he came back and right away he was totally in sync with Harden, they optimize each other game.
While OKC has been perfectly healthy, but struggle so much to integrate PG13 & Melo with Russ.
Does the fact that Morey put this team together with analytics vs Presti just grabbed "the biggest names" available have something to do with that?
保罗缺阵了许多比赛，当他伤愈回归时，他马上就进入了正轨，跟哈登完美互补，最大化俩人的优点。
可是，尽管雷霆没有伤病问题，泡椒和甜瓜迟迟没有跟威少完成兼容。
莫雷的高阶数据分析建队模式VS普雷斯蒂的“大牌明星”建队模式是不是与目前两队的状态有关呢？
[–]CelticsM0NETY 390 指標 10小時前
2 players vs. 3 players and one team has 3 volume scorers whereas the other has one and a great facilitator in CP3
2名球员对3名球员，一支球队拥有3位得分机器，另一支球队拥有1位得分机器和1个出色的助推器（保罗）。
[–][CLE] Dwyane WadeKaesergod 186 指標 10小時前
In all seriousness, this is the correct answer.
Chis Paul's unselfishness and willingness to spread the ball around rather than take shots is apparent each night. Six points, 13 assists last night speak to this statement. I believe Paul understands that Harden, Gordon, and inside-the-paint Capela are all reasonably better shooters than him.
This is something we don't see with Westbrook or Carmelo. Paul George seems to be blending in satisfactorily. The two players think they always have the best shot on the court (George to an extent as well) which stems from a year or more of isolation plays. They'll gel eventually, but one of the two (Carmelo/Russ) has to budge.
严肃点，这个答案是正确的。
保罗的无私和宁愿传球、也不投篮的意愿在每场比赛中都有明显的体现。昨天的6分13助攻说明了一切。我相信保罗清楚，哈登、戈登和站在油漆区内的卡佩拉都是比他更出色的射手。
相反，我们在威少或甜瓜身上看不到这一点。泡椒看似已经在做出牺牲了。威少和甜瓜认为他们总是拥有最高的单打成功率（某种程度上，泡椒也这么认为）。他们最终会兼容的，但甜瓜和威少其中一人必须做出改变。
[–]RocketsImLuuk1 357 指標 8小時前
Lmao, Chris had 6 points last night because he was 2-12 from the floor.
笑死了，保罗昨天只拿6分是因为他12投仅2中。
[–][CLE] Dwyane WadeKaesergod 539 指標 8小時前
Like every r/nba commenter, I didn't actually watch the game and am just trying to sound intelligent
（楼上的楼上）：让你抓包了，我跟每个论坛的球迷一样，并没有看比赛，只是想装得很懂球。
[–][HOU] Chris PaulBriand2714 615 指標 10小時前
Smarter players, better coach
更聪明的球员，更出色的教练。
[–]CavaliersJAM35FH1 437 指標 10小時前
3 hero balls against 2 scoring facilitators
3个爱打英雄球的 VS 2个得分助推器。
[–][CHA] Gerald WallaceDonEYeet 1603 指標 10小時前
All these people talking about complementary skillsets as if they weren't screaming about two ball dominant guards a month ago
这个帖子里大家都在谈论保罗和哈登完美互补，弄得好像自己在一个月前没有叫唤哈登和保罗是球霸一样。
[–][WAS] Bradley Bealjjgury 467 指標 10小時前
You're right lol, so many people said they couldn't work together like they can't pass or something.
你说的很对哈哈哈哈，所以许多人当时说灯泡组合不可能有好结果，弄得好像他俩不会传球一样。
[–]Supersonicsgwh21 198 指標 8小時前
2 ball dominant guards yes
But 2 ball dominant guards that are more than willing and capable to pass the ball at an extremely high level.
Melo and PG13 were the go to scorers last year for their teams, ball goes to them and then never leaves.
保罗和哈登确实算两个粘球型后卫。
但他们的传球能力出色，也有很强的传球意愿。
甜瓜和泡椒上赛季都是各自球队的得分手，球到他们手上就出不来了。
[–]SpursPoIIux 91 指標 7小時前
Yeah like what the hell. How could it not work out between one of the most efficient scorers of all time and one of the most efficient and best passers of all time?
对啊，当时有些球迷的说法真是滑稽。哈登是历史上最高效的得分手之一，保罗则是历史上最高效和最好的传球手之一，他们怎么可能合不来呢？
[–]RocketsHyperactivity786 109 指標 8小時前
1. A big factor that I think many people forget - Harden recruited CP3, and CP3 wanted to go to Houston. They WANTED to play together.
Paul George, on the other hand, was traded to OKC, after a tumultuous trade-rumor filled season (and even before then) and was and still is highly rumored to be planning to head to the Lakers next year. Melo originally wanted Houston, with Cleveland as his 2nd choice. Yes, Russ and PG eventually managed to recruit him and get him to OKC, but it was DEFINITELY not his first choice.
1. 我认为许多人忘记了一个重要的因素—哈登招募了保罗，保罗也想去火箭。他们十分【想】要搭档。
另一方面，泡椒是被交易至雷霆的，他在整个赛季（甚至之前也是）都饱受了大量的交易流言，以前和现在仍有大量流言称他计划下赛季加盟湖人。甜瓜原本想去火箭，骑士则是他的第二选择。是的，威少和泡椒最终招募了甜瓜，并让他来到了俄城，但这绝对绝对绝对不是他的第一选择。
That's big. I'm not saying the OKC stars don't want to work together or something, but there is something to be said for stars that willingly are approaching one another, knowing many of the changes you may have to make to your game to accommodate the other.
这很重要。我并不是说雷霆的球星们不想一起搭档之类的，但是吧，这跟球星主动地接触另一个球星、对自己要做出的改变一清二楚并乐意去为对方牺牲是不一样的。
CP3 and Harden definitely WANT to make this work. That's an advantage the Heatles, or the post-2016 Warriors, and most other successful "super-teams" work out. A GREAT example of this - CP3 has very obviously played more to the team's style than what was expected. Also, not sure if this is true about the Thunder stars, but CP3 and Harden seem like they're best friends (feels like it came out of nowhere too.) They always are hanging out with each other off-court, at concerts, probably strip clubs, etc.
灯泡组合对成功的渴望度太强太强了。这是热火、2016年之后的勇士、以及其他绝大部分成功的“超级球队”所具备的优势。一个很明显的例子就是炮哥比人们预料的更多地在打球队风格的篮球。灯泡组合看似也是最好的朋友（这个来得有点突然，不知道啥时候看对眼的），而这点是否能够应用在雷霆三巨头的身上还有待考核。灯泡在场下总是一起出游，去演唱会夜店之类的。
2. Staggering minutes + roster (and rhythm) : CP3 and Harden can both near perfectly substitute for one another. When only one is on the floor, both Harden and CP3 have Ryno and Gordon spacing the floor, Capela or Nene rolling to the rim, Ariza/Tucker/LMaM spotting up in the corners. There's AMPLE opportunity for either of them to establish a rhythm on their own. Donovan has a more difficult time with staggering his group, they're all different types of players
2. 交叉的时间和球队阵容（以及节奏）：灯泡组合都能够接近完美地接力。当只有一人在场时，灯泡组合都会有安德森和戈登在场上拉开空间，卡佩拉或内内冲向篮筐，阿里扎/塔克/巴莫特呆在底角。两人都有大量的机会靠自己建立节奏。多诺万在交错使用他的阵容时遇到了更多的问题，雷霆三巨头都是不一样类别的球员。
3. I do think coaching is a sorta big deal. Not saying Donovan is a bad coach, but I definitely do think that on offense, he doesn't have the sort of vision D'Antoni does.
3. 我的确认为执教能力是一个很重要的因素。我并不是指多诺万是个糟糕的教练，但是我十分赞同，在进攻端，他不具备德安东尼的远见。
4. Shooting : Both CP3 and Harden are great catch-and-shoot shooters. Compare the Warriors, who didn't struggle all too much (relatively) to fit Durant in, and the Heatles. Heatles didn't have good shooters, especially before LeBron went 40%+ from the 3, Bosh shot the 3 well, and they figured out how to incorporate it into their offense.
When you have good shooters, you always have a back-up plan for a play where you have one player just spotting-up/running around screens. Making them do it too much, like with Love, isn't ideal, but HEY, that's where point #2 comes along! Worst case scenario for the CP3 and Harden pairing was that they were deadly when staggered but one of them was always spotting up when they played together.
4. 投篮：灯泡组合都是出色的接球投篮射手。可以跟勇士、热火比一下。勇士并不需要费什么功夫就能让杜兰特融入球队方面。热火最开始并没有出色的投手，詹姆斯的三分命中率还没有达到40%、波什也没有开发远投。但是最后，热火众将解决了如何适应彼此进攻的问题，开发了投篮。
当你拥有出色的投手时，你总是会拥有一个备用的战术计划，其中一名球员可以等待定点投篮或绕挡拆。过多地使用这个战术是不理想的，就好像乐福现在的处境。这就到了我说的第二点了，灯泡组合的最可怕的时候是两人交错使用时，而最最糟糕的情况也不过是灯泡其中一人站桩等接球投篮罢了，可是他俩都是出色的接球投篮手啊!
[Serious] Are CP3 and Harden good enough together to challenge GSW?
【认真的】灯泡组合是否已经足够出色到能够挑战勇士了？
[–]Rocketsat_work_safe_acct 273 指標 9小時前
If I'm being honest, it would take a GSW injury for it to happen. Even then I'm not yet convinced.
火箭球迷：如果要我说实话，我认为除非勇士出现伤病，这样的情况才会发生。而且就算是勇士出现伤病，我也没有十足的信心。
[–]NBAkonyinsertyearhere 78 指標 7小時前
And if you weren't being honest?
那如果你不说实话呢？
[–]Rocketsat_work_safe_acct 409 指標 7小時前
Rockets in 5.
火箭球迷：火箭5场解决战斗。
[–]CavaliersTheBigEgg23 726 指標 9小時前
Nobody's going to be favorites or even split 50/50 odds against the Warriors, but the Rockets have as good a chance as anybody.
骑士球迷：谁对上勇士都是下狗，连五五开都不可能。但是火箭的胜算可以说是联盟29支球队中最高的了。
[–]Evil_Skip_Bayless 109 指標 8小時前
If they rain threes of course they can beat anyone but can they stay hot enough to overcome the pure talent over there.
如果火箭下起三分雨，他们当然可以击败任何球队，但他们能否保持足够火热的手感来击败勇士的纯天赋呢？
[–]ParlosCuyol 242 指標 9小時前
Houston's huge advantage over most teams is that they can play a superstar point guard for 48 minutes and thus crush the bench minutes. They don't have a weak lineup.
The problem against the Warriors is that when you have Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond you can set up your rotation to counter that by having two of those guys out there at all times.
相比于绝大部分球队，火箭的一个巨大优势就是他们可以在48分钟内都拥有一个超级明星控卫，摧毁对方的替补时间。他们就没有菜鸡阵容（到了季后赛）。
问题在于，勇士能让四巨头中的其中二人随时呆在场上交错使用。
[–]NuggetsDrBoofenshmirtz 106 指標 8小時前*
Problem also lies in that the Warriors also have one of the best benches in the league, so Harden/CP3 are gonna have a harder time running up the score when the GSW superstars are off the court. If the GSW bench can hold Harden/CP3 to a relatively average scoring clip and not let them run up the score (which the bench has shown they are capable of), that puts Houston in a bad position against the Warriors where a 10 point lead basically means that you're tied.
还有一个问题，勇士也拥有联盟最出色的板凳席之一，所以当勇士的超级球星下场时，灯泡组合也很难拉开比分。如果勇士的替补可以限制灯泡组合到相对比较一般的得分水平，并不被拉开比分（他们已经证明了这一点），火箭将会陷入一个糟糕的处境，10分的领先基本意味着你和勇士还是打平的。
[–]mangotictacs 198 指標 9小時前
Capela and Nene can take their match-ups. All the wings have to do is defend like their lives depend on it and hit open 3s, which they generally do. Harden and CP3 can outplay Klay and Steph. How do they counter small-ball?
卡佩拉和内内都能对上他们对位的球员。所有的侧翼球员必须视死如归地防守，并命中空位三分，这就是他们的生存之道。灯泡组合可以压过水花兄弟。他们怎么对抗小球阵容呢？且听我慢慢道来。
Capela is one of the best at keeping up around the perimeter, and he's a strong rebounder - both of which are utterly crucial. Harden, CP3 and Gordon need to fight over screens and maintain effort, they're all decent defenders against bigger shooters too. After that it's just hoping that Trev, LMAM and Tucker can slow KD down. That's 3 quick and strong 6'8 (PJ is 6'6) wings who can stick with KD for 40 minutes a game.
卡佩拉现在是联盟最牛逼的护筐者之一，也是一个超强的篮板机器——这两点很重要。灯泡组合和戈登需要击败对手的挡拆，保持拼劲。这三个人在面对更高大的投手时防守效果还不错。此外，你只能寄希望于阿里扎、巴莫特和塔克能够稍微限制一下KD。这三位移动迅速、强壮、身高两米多（塔克矮一点）的侧翼球员可以在40分钟内缠绕KD。
And if they can pick the right moments to help off Iggy and Draymond then they're actually looking pretty good. Warriors are immense on D but I have a lot of faith in CP3 and Harden to exploit the open man once the Warriors help off.
60/40 to the Warriors
如果他们在正确的时间里补防了一哥和追梦，他们的表现就相当不错。勇士在防守端十分出色，但我十分相信灯泡组合能够在勇士补防时找到空位的机会。
64开，勇士赢。
[–]PelicansConsumedAM 149 指標 8小時前
this analysis reads more 60/40 Rockets if anything
这个分析看上去更像是64开，火箭赢。
[–]Rocketssplanket 262 指標 8小時前
And that tells you just how good the Warriors are.
这说明了勇士是多么出色。
[–][GSW] Ian Clarkoscarony 56 指標 7小時前
Or it tells you just how scared everyone is of saying the Warriors are beatable.
勇士球迷：或者这说明了，每个人都多么忌惮勇士的不可阻挡。
[–]RocketsTheSneakyLurker 145 指標 7小時前
y’all aren’t man...
Included in that analysis is harden fighting over screens for a 7 game series. Love the guy more than my own life and his defense has improved but it’s not happening. That means Thompson will find himself open a lot. Meanwhile on the other end Klay always gives harden a tough time.
No way Klay, Draymond, KD, and Curry are beatable. Injuries or no deal to me.
Edit: also when I watch the matchup Steph has always torched CP3.
火箭球迷：关键你勇根本不是人啊…
我提到，哈登在7场系列赛中要一直战胜对手的挡拆。我很喜欢这家伙，比喜欢我自己还多，他的防守也有提高，但哈登是不可能一直专注于绕挡拆的。这意味着汤普森会找到许多空位机会。而且克莱总是会让哈登在进攻端不好受。
勇士不可能会被击败的。要么勇士现在伤病，要么白日梦。
p.s. 看看对位，库里总是摧毁保罗…