Warriors in the Steve Kerr era: 254-47 with Steph Curry 22-19 without Steph Curry
科尔治下的勇士：库里出战时254胜47负，库里缺阵时22胜19负
注：此贴发于昨日老鹰VS勇士的比赛前。库里缺阵时勇士的战绩现为23胜19负。
[–][CLE] LeBron Jameskingpc 1027 指標 12小時前
Can someone please do this stat with and without Draymond? curious too see although it’s a small sample
骑士球迷：谁能告诉我勇士队有无格林的战绩分别如何？我很想看，虽然样本会很小。
[–]nowhathappenedwas 92 指標 8小時前
Last year, the Dubs were 10-2 without Green and 17-14 without Curry (including 2-5 while missing both Curry and Klay).
In 2016-2017, the Dubs were 5-1 without Green and 2-1 without Curry.
去年，勇士队在格林缺阵的情况下10胜2负，库里缺阵的情况下17胜14负（包含了水花同时缺阵的2胜5负）
在2016-17赛季，勇士队在格林缺阵的情况下5胜1负，库里缺阵则是2胜1负。
[–]WarriorsSharksFanAbroad 512 指標 11小時前
Yup, would love to see this for Klay and KD too.
勇士球迷：我还很想看克莱和杜兰特缺阵/出场时的勇士战绩对比。
[–]nowhathappenedwas 443 指標 8小時前
Last year, the Dubs were 9-5 without KD and 3-6 without Klay (though Curry missed nearly all of the games Klay missed).
In 2016-2017, the Dubs were 16-4 without KD and 1-3 without Klay.
去年，杜兰特缺阵时勇士9胜5负，克莱缺阵时3胜6负（虽然克莱缺阵的比赛库里也基本都没上）
2016-17赛季，无杜勇16胜4负，而无汤勇1胜3负。
[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownSoshi101 421 指標 8小時前
So you're telling me....Klay > KD?
凯尔特人球迷：所以你是在告诉我……克莱比杜兰特重要？
[–]NetsAndy4574[] 167 指標 8小時前
Klay is THE Option.
有汤选汤，无汤选汤。
[–][MIN] Rasho NesterovicAlongCamePollyIsBae 217 指標 8小時前
How did the Warriors do in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 without KD?
The most important thing KD did for the Warriors was take himself off the Thunder. They do not need him at all.
森林狼球迷：勇士队2014-15赛季和2015-16赛季都没有阿杜，那时表现如何？
杜兰特对勇士队作出的最大贡献就是让雷霆队少了一位叫做杜兰特的球员。
勇士队根本不需要他。
[–]Thunderborosos 193 指標 8小時前
I think they went something like 73-9 in the 2016-2017 regular season without KD
雷霆球迷：我记得勇士2016-17赛季（实为2015-16赛季）在没有杜兰特的情况下好像拿到了73胜呢。
[–]WarriorsKal-Kent 59 指標 8小時前
They would have lost last year to Houston without KD
勇士球迷：如果没有杜兰特，上赛季勇士就输给火箭了。
[–][MIN] Rasho NesterovicAlongCamePollyIsBae 89 指標 8小時前
Yeah, maybe.
But we would have seen an entirely different game plan from the Warriors. It's not like they'd just try to use Harrison Barnes exactly like they use KD.
Also, if KD doesn't go to the Warriors, maybe the Rockets never trade for CP3.
森林狼球迷：是啊，可能吧。
但是没有杜兰特，勇士队的比赛计划就会完全不同了。他们也不会把巴恩斯一板一眼地当杜兰特用啊。
而且，如果杜兰特不加入勇士，或许火箭队就不会试图交易得到保罗了。
[–]Knickssmileyfrown 1266 指標 11小時前
Looked it up, in the Curry-Durant era they are...
18-10 when Durant plays and no Curry
24-3 when Curry plays and no Durant
So maybe you should be greatful that Durant is holding back a Curry lead team
尼克斯球迷：刚刚查了一下，在库杜时代……
有杜无库：18胜10负。
有库无杜：24胜3负。
所以你们应该感谢阿杜跑到勇士队去拖了库里后腿啊。
[–][GSW] Stephen Currypatricksimon1 95 指標 11小時前
That Curry without Durant record is primarily because of the Toaster ..
勇士球迷：有库无杜的勇士战绩那么变态主要是因为面包机保佑吧。[译注1]
[译注1]2016-17赛季，一位Reddit用户到勇士的球迷见面会上拿着一个面包机找汤神签名，一脸懵逼的汤神给它签了名，后来勇士十几场比赛只输了一场（总决赛第三场），该面包机被传为一大神器。
[–]eeeeeeethan 459 指標 11小時前
some of those Durant plays no Curry games they also didn't have Dray or Klay, most happened last season
有几场有杜无库的比赛也没有格林或者汤神，大多数都发生在上赛季。
[–][GSW] Calbert Cheaneyswollencornholio 282 指標 8小時前
I remember it being pretty hilarious...it seemed like they kept removing players to see if KD could still win. They rolled out a KD-Klay-Cook-Javale-Bell line up with no Iguodala or Livingston coming off the bench and beat Memphis.
勇士球迷：我记得当时那是一件贼搞笑的事儿……就好像勇士一直在撤走帮手，想看看杜兰特是不是依然能带队赢球。他们还排出过一套杜兰特-汤神-库克-麦基-贝尔的阵容，替补席上一哥和利文斯顿也高挂免战牌，然后他们依然击败了灰熊队。
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201712200GSW.html
[–]BullsEpawd 147 指標 8小時前
Honestly that team still doesn’t seem that bad to me lmao.
公牛球迷：哈哈哈哈哈说实话，这套阵容在我看来完全不赖啊。
[–][NYK] Tracy McGradyHoboWithAGlock 165 指標 8小時前
I’d kill to have a team that good.
尼克斯球迷：我的主队阵容要是有那么强我得乐疯了。
[–]NuggetsLew_AIcindor 129 指標 11小時前
For those curious, in the Steve Kerr era, they're also 9-3 in the Playoffs without him. Statmuse is good for such queries.
掘金球迷：再给好奇的人们看一个数据，在科尔时代，季后赛无杜的情况下勇士队还是9胜3负呢。Statmuse真是一个解决此类疑难问题的好网站。
https://www.statmuse.com/musings/the-golden-state-warriors-had-a-6-6-record-in-2012-13-c58f2dbd
[–]SupersonicsInternationalGrape8 712 指標 10小時前
Curry is more valuable than Durant.
库里比杜兰特更有价值。
[–]IguessthatsAname 368 指標 8小時前
And therefore better. I don't understand why people don't get this
所以也就比杜兰特更强。我不明白为什么人们就是无法认清这点。
[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 301 指標 8小時前
Because value to a team and individual talent aren't the same thing.
Look, if Curry is hot then the world should be on notice. His "gravity", his effect on the game, his threat of both driving to the rim (and not getting calls) and shooting from anywhere within 120 feet of the basket—these are all insane.
勇士球迷：因为“对球队的价值”和“个人能力”并不能划等号。
这么说吧，如果库里手感火热，全世界都该警惕起来。他的“库有引力”、他对比赛的影响力、他突破（然后得不到哨子）和在距离篮筐40米以内无差别开火能力所带来的巨大威胁……这些都太夸张了。
But if we need a single bucket, then I believe KD is the better person to have the ball. As a pure scorer, he's the one I'd go to.
但是如果我们只需要打进一个进球，那么我认为我们更应该把球交到杜兰特手中。作为一名纯得分手，他是我的不二选择。
[–]Raptors2Pac_Okur 211 指標 8小時前
but the goal of basketball is neither to be a pure scorer nor is it to get 1 basket.
猛龙球迷：但是打篮球的目的既不是做一名纯得分手，也不是仅仅打进一个进球。
[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 87 指標 8小時前
Yes, and that's why I'd much rather have Curry than Durant on our team.
But when people say "I don't understand how anyone could differentiate between Curry being more valuable and Durant being a better individual player," well, there is a difference between the two. We can evaluate individuals separately from their value to/effects on a team.
勇士球迷：是啊，这就是为什么我更愿看到库里在阵而非杜兰特。
但是，当人们说“我不明白，库里更有价值和阿杜的个人能力更强怎么还成了两回事呢”时，我不得不说。这两者当然是有区别的。我们评判一个球员的个人能力是可以将其对球队的价值和影响分开来的。
(Most of the time. Westbrook's MVP was an instance where I think people conflated the two, assuming triple doubles were by default valuable to the team.)
（在大多数情况下，我认为威少的MVP就是人们把上述两点混为一谈的例子，他们在头脑里就预先假定三双肯定是对球队有价值的）
[–]Buckskabman7 385 指標 12小時前
Their best player.why are people afraid to admit he’s better than kd.
雄鹿球迷：库里是这支球队的最佳球员。为什么人们害怕承认他比杜兰特更强呢。
[–]penifSMASH 168 指標 8小時前
Because Curry is not physically dominating and basketball fans have trouble acknowledging someone like that as a legend
因为库里的身体素质不具有统治力，然后球迷们有点难以认识到这种类型球员的传奇色彩。
[–]Knicksicalledporzingis 133 指標 8小時前
This. Curry dominates at the same level as Jordan or Magic or Lebron but does it with all finesse, squirrelly speed, and amazing off-ball movement (and of course 3-point shooting). Because it's not a physical style people have a hard time putting him in the category of those guys butI think he absolutely belongs there.
尼克斯球迷：说到点子上了。库里的统治力和乔丹、魔术师或勒布朗是同一级别的，但是他统治比赛凭借的是精巧的技术、灵动的速度以及惊人的无球移动（当然还有三分投射啦）。因为他打球风格不靠身体，人们就不太愿意把他和那些飞禽走兽归为一档，但是我认为他绝对属于那个精英行列。
[–]NetsPandoras_Toybox 104 指標 8小時前
Because it's tough to ignore that while Curry is the best shooting human being on the planet, he's still a small guard with injury problems. Durant is a mismatch anytime he is playing basketball and shoots on extraordinary efficiency while also having the length to play smothering defense and sometimes rim protect.
篮网球迷（回答层主问题）：因为，很难忽略的一个问题是，虽然库里是在地表第一准，但他同时也是一名存在伤病隐患的小个子后卫。而杜兰特只要踏入场上就是个错位威胁，投篮取分的效率高得吓人，同时，他的身高臂长能帮助他打出窒息防守，有时还可以提供护筐。
[–]jacklawley 1481 指標 12小時前
Best point guard in the league.
联盟第一控卫。
[–][BOS] Larry BirdEddieBravosBong 324 指標 9小時前
Best point guard of all time.
凯尔特人球迷：库里，历史第一控卫。
[–]Spurssiphillis 1130 指標 9小時前
Magic says hi, because he's a wholesome dude and respects people's opinions on sports.
马刺球迷：魔术师向你问好。为什么问好？因为他是个阳光开朗的带善人，永远尊重人们针对体育发表的各种意见。
[–][BOS] Larry BirdEddieBravosBong 86 指標 9小時前
Magic is my 2nd and it's very close. I think each of them can impact a game nearly as significantly as each other, they just do it in different ways.
Now if you combined the two and gave Magic Curry's shooting... oh my.
凯尔特人球迷：魔术师是我心中的历史第二控卫，两人很接近。我觉得他们两个人对于比赛的影响都几乎同等举足轻重，只是方式不同罢了。
要是你把他俩结合起来，让魔术师拥有库里的投射……天呐。
[–]LakersSpitCumIntoMyAsshole 126 指標 9小時前
stop
湖人球迷：住嘴。
[–]Supersonicsfantacito 138 指標 8小時前
best shooter of all time not the best PG
库里是史上第一投手，但不是第一控卫。
[–]drakenthegreat 315 指標 8小時前
Magic scored 42 points, grabbed 15 rebounds, 7 assists and 3 steals playing as a center, replacing an injured Kareem. In an NBA finals clinching game. As a rookie.
魔术师在贾巴尔受伤的情况下在NBA总决赛的赛点战客串中锋出场，爆砍42分15板7助3断率队夺冠。他那时还只是个新秀。
[–]Celticsarcangeltx 164 指標 8小時前
that'sit ? not even a triple double smh
凯尔特人球迷：就这么点数据？太菜了，连个三双都拿不到！
[–][GSW] Chris Webbersdanderson 104 指標 10小時前
Can I just say something levelheaded without getting some crazy downvotes? Hear me out:
Steph IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER but a stat like this tells me the Warriors game plan around Curry much more than anyone else. I think the Dubs would probably figure it out if he were gone for a lot longer and they knew that.
勇士球迷：我来表达一下理性观点，大伙能不能别无脑点灭？且听我说完：
首先要强调的是，库里【是！我！们！最！重！要！的！球！员】，但是楼主这些数据告诉我的是，勇士更多的是围绕库里制定比赛计划，其程度远远超过勇士其他球员。我觉得如果库里缺阵更久的话，我勇会解决针对其他球员的战术安排问题的，他们心里肯定也清楚。
Most of these injuries have been shorter term that became longer since the coaching staff wanted to be careful. It’s a small sample size as well for games he’s missed and so you’d have to think Kerr thinks much more that he’ll play than he won’t.
库里大多的这些伤病都是短期的，但是教练组由于谨慎而延长了他的休战时间。他缺席的比赛样本数也很小，所以合乎逻辑的思考是，科尔想得更多是“库里下一场能打”，而不是“库里下一场打不了”。
Also weren’t we JUST COMPLAINING ABOUT DRAY being gone and how vital he is to the team? Can’t we see that their biggest problem is sustained focus, which is hard in just about any walk of life?
I’ll see myself out. Sorry
而且，难道大家伙儿刚刚不是还在抱怨格林的缺席对球队带来的重大影响，以及他对于球队有多重要吗？咱们能不能认清一个事实，那就是这支球队最大的问题其实是保持专注力，而这件事在几乎所有行业都是很困难的？
我说完了，自己溜了，谢谢大家。